Time vs Temperature

I have a single BR, centrally-heated apartment in New England. In the winter, the sun drives a single natural solar-heating cycle per day. Why does the temperature in the bathroom exhibit two full time-temperature cycles per day, independent of any usage of hot or cold water in the bathroom? Does the answer to this question have any bearing on global warming? Is this question indicative of how desperate we seem to be for new posts?

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Hypothesis: The bathroom,

Hypothesis: The bathroom, generaly, has no exterior walls and hence is not driven by the solar heating cycle, but rather follows a cycle that is dependant on the thermal properties of the building materials (R Value, airspaces, construction technique, etc..)
Comments, anyone?

AL, The bathroom does have

AL,

The bathroom does have an exterior wall.

Regards, Don

I think we may need to know

I think we may need to know more about your dietary habits in order to answer this correctly.

Phil, No, the effect would

Phil,

No, the effect would be the same if the apartment were uninhabited.

Regards, Don

But in the interest of full

But in the interest of full disclosure - what is your typical alimentary intake?

Well with any complex

Well with any complex systems there are many factors. Now these factors can be broken down in three major catergories, heat sinks, heat sources, and heat retention. Are there any windows? Any radiators? What is the composition of each of the walls? Do any of the walls contact other areas of different temperature profiles. How quickly do the materials in the room heat up? How long do they retain heat? Is the door more often open or closed? How often are the lights on or off. Are the heating pipes for other apartments going through the walls?

My guess is that is has something to do with the neighbor downstairs. The heat in my last apartment basically didn't work ( I think the radiators needed to be bleed) but the apartment was livable because the guys downstairs had a hot apartment (the window needed to be open year round). It was an old turn of the century row house with thick walls and thin floors.

Kevin, Well with any complex

Kevin,

Well with any complex systems there are many factors. Now these factors can be broken down in three major catergories, heat sinks, heat sources, and heat retention. Are there any windows? Any radiators? What is the composition of each of the walls? Do any of the walls contact other areas of different temperature profiles. How quickly do the materials in the room heat up? How long do they retain heat? Is the door more often open or closed? How often are the lights on or off. Are the heating pipes for other apartments going through the walls?

No windows, no radiators (heated, fan-driven duct air to bedroom from livingroom), doors open, none of the rest significant.

Regards, Don

How about the manmade

How about the manmade hypothesis - Don has his thermostat set for warmth in the morning and when he usually arrives home from work, and leaves it cool during the night and when he's at work to save on heating costs.

David, How about the manmade

David,

How about the manmade hypothesis - Don has his thermostat set for warmth in the morning and when he usually arrives home from work, and leaves it cool during the night and when he’s at work to save on heating costs.

Work, what's that? Thermostat constant setting. Heat part of rent.

Regards, Don

need new material, eh? you

need new material, eh? you know what you guys need is a resident socialist blogger who'll rile people up and debate 'em. Is a fundamental libertarian belief that competition fosters growth and improvement? Then let's get a serious competing theoretician on the thread to take us beyond the faux-competition of minarchist vs. consequentialist lib.

Every post this person would write could be prefaced "the opinions expressed within contain probably the opposite of those of Catallarchy and it's major members". Hey wait a second... I could do it!

That is a good idea. Perhaps

That is a good idea. Perhaps this blog could link up with some communist/socialist bloggers.

Actually, it's occurred to

Actually, it's occurred to me that the main difference between libertarians or anarcho capitalists and socialists or communists is beliefs about what is likely/possible rather than what is desirable. I think the main reason anarchists say anarcho-capitalists are "not anarchists" is that they think anarcho-capitalists just want to eliminate government and want/expect the existing corporations to stay as they are, with the end result being that the corporations become the new government (hence calling us not-anarchists).

The major difference in desired *outcome* is that some socialists/communists/anarchists believe that everyone should have exactly the same wage, health care, etc. Since libertarians and anarcho-capitalists tend to believe that such an outcome is not only counter to the desire for freedom but actually unachievable, we have a disconnect.

I think these areas are quite worthy of debate, since I think a lot of us started out as more utopian thinkers once, and utopian thinkers are more likely to come around to a libertarian point of view than are cynical participants in the political process.

Also Sean, there are

Also Sean, there are generally conflicting beliefs about how property is exchanged or abandoned between the two camps. Most socialists stop short of saying you "abandon" your house by leaving it in the morning and thereby leave it open for homesteading, but some believe almost as much (saying, for example, that disney world couldn't really be "owned" since Michael Eisner doesn't directly occupy and use it). There are other differences as well - some believe that wage labor is OK but would be unlikely to persist in a free market, others believe anyone who pays a wage is a criminal and should be imprisoned and/or fined by the forces of justice. Most of the agreement seems to be centered around what defines property, i.e. how an unowned resource can come to be owned by someone through labor homesteading.

To clear space for more

To clear space for more substantive comments, the two cycle per day bathroom temperature profile likely results from something like the following :

The living room closet heating unit is controlled by a constant setting on the thermostat on the opposite wall. As the outside temperature varies during the day, the ON duty cycle of the heater must vary to make up for the varying heat losses through the varying temperature gradients between the inside and outside of the living room walls and windows. The highest ON duty cycle of the heater occurs when the outside temperature is lowest, at night. This heated air must traverse the full diagonal length of the apartment to reach the bathroom. This produces a peak in the bathroom temperature.

The lowest ON duty cycle of the heater occurs when the outside temperature is highest. This would also produce the lowest temperature in the bathroom but for the fact that the relatively high outside temperature means that the lower temperature gradient across the exterior bathroom wall minimizes heat losses, and actually results in another temperature peak in the bathroom. Or something like that.

Regards, Don

Sean, I'd say you're more or

Sean, I'd say you're more or less right about the differences in views between some socialists and some libs. Not always but sometimes it boils down to "not equality as a concept but equality as a fact and a result." But not always. I happen to think that Libs confuse negative freedom with the far more important concept of meaningful self-determination. Seen properly, I think most moves toward increasing meaningful self-determination for people will come in terms anarcho-socialist measures... Though I will admit that it's plausible to have some sort of Rawlsian capitalism w/insurance system as a proxy if anarcho socialism is impossible. I would happily support the former (even going so far as to have an Adam Smith-style truck and barter quasi-Randian state of affairs) over the current situation which means we likely aren't so far apart at all.

Don- So you're saying that

Don-
So you're saying that the discussion of temperature in your bathroom is more "substantive" than discussion of the differences between styles of anarchism? How about we debate that one...
Matt

Matt27, ...So you’re

Matt27,

...So you’re saying that the discussion of temperature in your bathroom is more “substantive” than discussion of the differences between styles of anarchism? How about we debate that one…

No, I was saying the opposite, getting the answer out of the way.

Regards, Don

oh gotcha. My apologies for

oh gotcha. My apologies for the blase tone of my retort then.

Matt

So, what was going on in

So, what was going on in your bathroom?