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From BBC's Talking Point on the cartoons and the subsequent meltdowns:

We live in a nanny state were we suffer excessive political correctness. The state tells us to be tolerant of other beliefs. It’s a two way progression, we are told to respect their beliefs - what about respecting ours? We have our freedom of speech - our ancestors fought for that, we have lost so much in the past few years at least allow us to keep that. - Simon, London

I am sick and tired of people on this forum stating that "freedom of speech does not mean freedom to insult". That is EXACTLY what it means!!! We are in the enlightened west and the majority of people have learned to question religion to a point where it has been made redundant due to its ridiculousness. I cherish my freedom of speech and will not be intimidated or dictated to. - Anthopny, Amsterdam

BBC, please stop referring to what happened in Lebanon and Syria as protests. And stop calling those people protestors. They are criminals and hooligans engaged in mob violence. - Garth Olcese, Warsaw, Poland

Dissident Frogman has some nifty banners.

And Mark Steyn of the Chicago Sun-Times reflects on the consequences of sensitivity.

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We aught to have a

We aught to have a moratorium on saying “you can’t shout fire in a crowded theater”
What if the theater wasn’t crowded? What if the theater really was on fire? What if the owner had put up a sign saying “No shouting fire allowed.”? I think people who shout fire in a crowded theater are like Hitler.

The Vatican has weighed in

The Vatican has weighed in on this issue:

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/02/vatican_opposes_free_speech.php

does Freedom of Speech allow

does Freedom of Speech allow one to say "Fire" in a crowded theater? If not, then why? Is it because of the potential harm that could happen or the fact that it is a lie? if it is because of the potential harm that could happen to the audience in a stampede then there's a slipperly slope where the govt could say newspapers cannot reprint the cartoons because of the potential harm it would bring their embassies (as of 2/6/06 that is).

Those two scenarios are

Those two scenarios are starkly different from each other. Shouting "Fire" in a crowded movie theater is tantamount to falsely announcing that the lives of those around you are in clear and immediate danger (hence, the subsequent panic). Satirical cartoons do no such thing.

Free Speech lets one yell

Free Speech lets one yell "Fire" in a crowded theater. It's legitimately only the rules of the property owner that prevent you from doing it. Under no normally conceivable situation does it make sense to abrogate the right to free speech.

You wanna see Islam and how

You wanna see Islam and how it controls contrasting views? Watch tonight newsnight on the BBC. The presenter, Jeremy Paxman, looked like he wanted to deck the Islamist moron. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4687270.stm:wall:

:smile:I'm talking about

:smile:I'm talking about freedom of speech, for school, and i would like to thank you all for your help.