The turning of the tide? We can only hope.

It's been my stated opinion since its unveiling that Daniel Libeskind's replacement WTC design is awful and shameful. The original buildings were some of the grandest products of humanity and if it were up to me they'd be rebuilt taller. Well, even though I'm not his biggest fan, Donald Trump now has eternal forgiveness from me for saying the same thing. Frankly, he and I agree that the new design is "a pile of crap" and should be scrapped immediately.

In a nutshell, Freedom Tower should not be allowed to be built. It's not appropriate for downtown Manhattan. It's not appropriate for Manhattan. It's not appropriate for the United States, and it's not appropriate for freedom.

Damn straight.

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Hus: Its pretty obvious

Hus:
Its pretty obvious that no one here knows about the history of the building of the World Trade Center.

How do you arrive at this conclusion? Speaking only for myself -- I'm aware of the political wrangling that went on in the years before the WTC was built, if that's what you're referring to. Do you expect me to oppose any rebuilding because of it?

The original buildings were

The original buildings were ugly boxes. Their height is all that made them noteworthy from the average onlookers P.O.V. They did provide great views on the city though.

Its pretty obvious that no one here knows about the history of the building of the World Trade Center. After all, the entire complex was directly inspired by the aesthetic dogmas of Le Corbusier.

Dan Webb,

Its part of the skyline in many movies, including "The Killing Fields." Of course so is the Empire State Building. However, the movie where I remember it being "featured," was in the awful "Home Alone: 2," when the Culkin kid travels to the top of one twin towers.

Isn't it ironic that the

Isn't it ironic that the "freedom tower" is being presided over by bureaucratic proceedings and collective decision making?

As I recall, Trading Spaces

As I recall, Trading Spaces took place in Philadelphia. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Well, I don't know where Trading Spaces took place, but Trading Places did indeed take place mostly in Philadelphia. They took the train to New York to trade FCOJ. Some images of the twin towers were shown briefly after they arrived.

Featured in countless

Featured in countless movies, including Trading Places, where they were portrayed as the location of the last bastion of capitalism in the world.

As I recall, Trading Spaces took place in Philadelphia. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Actually, I don't want the

Actually, I don't want the twin towers rebuilt as was. I want them to be one story higher.

And Randall chimes in,

And Randall chimes in, “Damn straight”, but, I wonder, did he stop to think for a minute, why is it inappropriate? Because you’re skeeeered of obtuse or acute angles? Excuse me if I request a little more insight.

I'm not so sure about those angles (although postmodern architecture often looks like something crashed onto the site). But here are some facts about the twin towers and the so-called "Freedom Tower".

The twin towers were:
1. Arguably the most recognizable symbol of capitalism in the world.
2. The distinguishing element of the most recognizable city skyline in the world.
3. A feat of engineering (a rigid "hollow tube" of closely spaced steel columns with floor trusses extending across to a central core).
4. Featured in countless movies, including Trading Places, where they were portrayed as the location of the last bastion of capitalism in the world.
5. Loved by people everywhere, especially now that they're gone.

The "Freedom Tower", on the other hand is:
1. Uninhabitable latticework above the (roughly) 70th floor.
2. A wind harvesting machine??? Give me a break. The radical environmentalists will love that.
3. A "mongrel" design that is still undergoing redesign; a real-world example of architectural design-by-committee as portrayed in The Fountainhead.

Think about this: How much celebration will there be in the streets of New York when (if) the "Freedom Tower" is finished? Now compare that with the celebration that would spontaneously occur if the towers were rebuilt. According to all the (non-scientific) polls I've seen, most people want to see the towers rebuilt.

If the land was privately

If the land was privately owned then they could build it as ugly as they want. But if it's owned by the government then they shouldn't build anything. Any other option is collectivist & will lead to everyone bitching at each other & insulting their haircuts until fistfights break out.

Donald Trump wants the

Donald Trump wants the designers of the World Trade Center site fired.

Wait, wait, wait: I'm supposed to take lessons on architectural and aesthetic integrity from the guy who A) owns the godawfully ugly Trump Towers, and B) owns the world's worst combover?

Their plan "looks like a junk yard, a series of broken-down angles that don't match each other.

Again, I'm supposed to be taking architectural advice from a man who judges designs by whether their angles "match"? "Whuh!? It's something other than a 90-degree angle!??? You're fired!"

And his solution is to rebuild the same towers, just one story higher? Holy shit, now THAT is some creative architectural genius right there.

In a nutshell, Freedom Tower should not be allowed to be built. It’s not appropriate for downtown Manhattan. It’s not appropriate for Manhattan. It’s not appropriate for the United States, and it’s not appropriate for freedom.

That's some superb rhetoric right there...but what in god's name does it mean? "Freedom=90-degree angles"? "Manhattan=big plain piles of square floors"? I just don't follow. There's no explanation of what the standard for "appropriateness" is, so what exactly is this saying? And Randall chimes in, "Damn straight", but, I wonder, did he stop to think for a minute, why is it inappropriate? Because you're skeeeered of obtuse or acute angles? Excuse me if I request a little more insight.

Isn’t it ironic that the

Isn’t it ironic that the “freedom tower” is being presided over by bureaucratic proceedings and collective decision making?

The word that comes to mind is "Orwellian".

I think the "Freedom Tower" is a bold statement of how we Americans are not afraid of building tall scaffolding.

I've been following Team Twin Towers for a couple of years now, and up until the recent Trump endorsement, I had little hope that the Gardner design would be more than a footnote in the rebuilding process. Needless to say, I'm very excited that Trump has decided to come out in favor of the twin towers design.

The original buildings were

The original buildings were pedestrian but I'm with Trump if only because nothing is happening. Maybe we should just call it a freedom hole?

I thought the original

I thought the original towers were really ugly. I guess I just don't find rectangles as exciting as some people do.