There\'s More Than Plenty Of The Detroit Brawl Commentary...

...but, hey, what's one more.

I think it is difficult to specifically justify the actions of Artest, et al. for going into the stands initially. It is true that the transgression was nowhere near life-threatening, and the whole scene may have never happened had that line not been crossed (of course, every single incident can be tagged by "If X hadn't done Y, then it would not have ecsalated").

However, two different general takes on this rub me the wrong way. The first is they that say the line between field and stands, and player and fan, should never be crossed. Now I agree that it's a good idea, but as Den LeBatard says:

Ron Artest doesn't lose what little is left of his mind and charge into those stands if some dope doesn't hurl a cup and hit him in the head first. It is lazy to say it is the responsibility of the athletes to remain rational, calm and professional in these instances. But you might not remain so rational, calm and professional if someone came into your emotion-and-intensity-soaked workplace and hit you in the head with something. And you might not remain so rational, calm and professional if you saw an angry mob surrounding your scared friend in a fight, either. Don't make the rules different for the athletes than you would make them for yourself.

No, Artest should not have gone into the stands, for many reasons, no matter who started it. But I stop short of being as judgemental as most commentators have been, because I wasn't the one who was the target of random projectiles.

But, I think the take that most gets me is this line: players shouldn't cross that line because there are security and police present to take care of such things. As far as Ron Artest is concerned, this is not the first, or even, I believe, the second time that he has been hit with thrown object on the court. More generally, there have been innumerable instances of fans hitting players with thrown object and fans assaulting players in the field of play. I think the lesson that athletes may have learned is that all the security in the world can't (or, at least, hasn't) prevent this from happening. And, in general, I think it's fair to say that most of the readers of this site would agree that our various and sundry "justice-seeking" entities don't do a good job of preventing injustice or in correcting it. In such a situation, people will stop relying on others to do it for them and will try to seek justice themselves, and I think it's justified.

Now, just because something is justified, it doens't make it a good idea. But being a bad idea doesn't make it unjustified, either.

Furthermore, I have heard many commentators deride the "macho reaction to being 'disrespected'." Is it a stretch to think that many of today's athletes, most of who come from poorer neighborhoods and have grown up in areas where government provided "justice" does not quite live up to expectation, would learn to react to being "dissed" by acting for themselves rather than wait for justice that would never come?

I guess it all comes down to how you view our right to seek justice ourselves. Lockean theory states that men will be uneven in their trial and execution of justice. He believed that, while we have a natural right to do so, it is best to surrender this right, form a government to serve justice, and reserve the rest to individuals. Many would argue that this was codified by our written constitution, and I tend to agree. But when the government fails to try and execute justice, doesn't it follow that people should and can reclaim this natural right?

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A friend of mine who was at

A friend of mine who was at the game says that when Arteste charged into the stands, he ran past a number of black people and headed "straight for the white guy". I haven't been able to discern this due to the editing of the clips in the video I downloaded; what say you who have seen the unedited footage, or were at the event yourselves?

I believe the woman he

I believe the woman he knocked down and who was taken by ambulance was black.

Also, the statements by 'Den' don't fly with me, because Artest was lying on a table smirking like a chimp while Wallace was getting it from the refs. Not that he deserved to be pelted with beer by a fan, but he wasn't in any 'zone' mentally for his game.

Diana

My friend says it appeared

My friend says it appeared that the woman you mentioned more got trampled because she was in Arteste's way as he was moving toward his primary target, and that it looked like this both at the time when he was there and when he saw the "repeat" on TV.

My friend says it appeared

My friend says it appeared that the woman you mentioned more got trampled because she was in Arteste’s way as he was moving toward his primary target, and that it looked like this both at the time when he was there and when he saw the “repeat” on TV.

Well, I don't know which one of his[Artest] primary targets you're referring to.

I hope those idiots get sued

I hope those idiots get sued until their pips squeek. There is some conjecture that they guy he charged at and hit in the stands was not even the fan who chucked something at him.

>>There is some conjecture

>>There is some conjecture that they guy he charged at and hit in the stands was not even the fan who chucked something at him.<<

There were several people hit in the stands, and no -- none were the guy who chucked the beer at him.