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At the risk of blowing Catallarchy's Fonzie-like reputation, I think I speak for a good many people in not wishing John Ashcroft, "good health and a good retirement," instead hoping, Johnny Boy, that you burn in hell.

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A varied and colorful slate

A varied and colorful slate of emoticons adorns this page but none capture the brow-furrowing concern that this post evoked from me.

It's posts like this that

It's posts like this that make it hard to be a libertarian these days.

I'm not a fan of Ashcroft's term as AG, but on the other hand, his opponents are so ridiculously overboard in their hatred of him that it's hard to not end up arguing his side of things.

Ashcroft may be a bad AG, but he's certainly not the evil monster that people like McElroy makes him out to be.

Mr. Ashcroft is a decent and

Mr. Ashcroft is a decent and honorable man with many years in public service. He was not a bad AG either.

"Mr. Ashcroft is a decent

"Mr. Ashcroft is a decent and honorable man with many years in public service. He was not a bad AG either."

Funniest thing I've read this week.

I think our Fonzie-like

I think our Fonzie-like reputation has been sufficiently blown.

Did we have a Fonzie-like

Did we have a Fonzie-like reputation? I was hoping for more of a Denzelian reputation.

I admit I'm surprised to

I admit I'm surprised to find anyone defending Ashcroft on Catallarchy. I know that he himself couldn't pass the Patriot Act, but he could offer it and lead the charge. And he relishes enforcing it, driven as he appears to be by the conviction that God put him in that post at just the right time. I could go on for a while, but stop and think about the actions of the man you're defending. He might personally be honest, considerate, etc, but in his role as Private Enemy #1 he deserves no praise from us.

I'm no fan of him in office,

I'm no fan of him in office, but I want him to live a decent and happy life far away from political power. I'm a softy & too merciful, true, but I don't see the need to wish him to burn in hell, like one should wish for Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Arafat, Saddam, Khomenei, Pol Pot, etc- the really nasty assholes of the world. I'm afraid that Ashcroft doesn't come close to their circles.

Maybe some lingering back pain as a compromise?

Yeah, if we were to truly

Yeah, if we were to truly wish such a punishment for Ashcroft, how could we derive a worse one for those mentioned by Brian? Ashcroft is no worse than any other deeply religious, partisan-Republican with authoritarian leanings would be in his position, which is why we should damn the position, not the man. But we still can harshly criticize him :cool:

Who do you think will

Who do you think will defrock Lady Liberty when he's finally gone?

Maybe some lingering back

Maybe some lingering back pain as a compromise?

Now I'm on board. :grin:

I don't know what I wish on

I don't know what I wish on him, other than that he [Gollum voice]go away and never go back[/Gollum voice]! Oh, and never put out another album of gospel music. Outside of that I'd prefer never to think of the man again.

I can say this much, though - if he did end up burning it hell it would sure surprise him!

"Libertarians" -

"Libertarians" - substituting childish snark for reasson since uh, forever.

Burning in hell is awful

Burning in hell is awful harsh, considering he never burned a church down.

- Josh

I'm with Brian on this as

I'm with Brian on this as well. I dislike the guy and glad to see him exiting the Beltway, but he doesn't make my list of those who I'd wish eternal damnation on.

Ashcroft cant compare to

Ashcroft cant compare to Stalin, Hitler, and all the rest in terms of bloody violence, but in principle I'd say he's little different then any of those guys. They all thought and think that the vile things they ddid and do were for the good of man kind and that they were righteous in their actions. Get what Im saying?

Jake

"He might personally be

"He might personally be honest, considerate, etc, but in his role as Private Enemy #1 he deserves no praise from us."

Exactly right. "Under every stack of government paperwork, there's a loaded gun".

Self-described libertarians defending Ashcroft? My disgust-o-meter burned out a long time ago, but that's still appalling.

My personal wish for Ascroft

My personal wish for Ascroft is that he should have all of his private concerns published for all the world to read, then be stopped for jay-walking, declared a terrorist and thus stripped of his citizenship, and hauled off to a 'facility' for a while.

There is a certain justice to that I think.

One thing to remember is

One thing to remember is that while Ashcroft may have been bad, Janet Reno actually murdered people.

Wow, how civil. I don't know

Wow, how civil. I don't know what troubles me more: Randall's bile or John Lopez' "Johnny-more-Libertarian-than-you" routine. Please, people.

I'm with John Wilde and Brian Doss here -- Ashcroft was weird and not likeable by any stretch, but he was a vast improvement over Janet Reno and didn't let his personal views affect the way he carried out his job (at least no more than could be expected from anyone else). While I certainly am happy to see him go, I have to wonder if what we get next won't be worse. In any case, wishing him eternal torment is a little over the top and childish.

Note that in order to burn

Note that in order to burn in hell, there must be a hell. I am not willing to wish "That hell exists AND that Ashcroft burn in it". But if a hell exists, he sure ought to be in it - or its not much of a hell.

Can't say I think there's a

Can't say I think there's a hell for him to burn in. I do, however, believe that both the good and the evil you do come back to you in turn. On that note, here's Ashcroft on his way out of office (posted on Reason's Hit and Run):

In his first remarks since his resignation was announced Tuesday, Ashcroft forcefully denounced what he called "a profoundly disturbing trend" among some judges to interfere in the president's constitutional authority to make decisions during war. "The danger I see here is that intrusive judicial oversight and second-guessing of presidential determinations in these critical areas can put at risk the very security of our nation in a time of war," Ashcroft said in a speech to the Federalist Society.

I don't think that defending the absolute right of one man to make decisions like that for millions of others counts as a good.

you all

you all suck.

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