Weighty Issue

Jerry Schwarz of the Associated Press reports on all the "fat" insults directed to Michael Moore by those who sit opposite the political aisle from him. Moreover, Marilyn Wann, author of the book FAT!SO?, claims the Republicans are "behaving exactly like the third-grade bullies who tormented me as a child".

The popular anti-Moore book titled Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man is also mentioned.

Maybe Wann can help me out on this… Perhaps my memory is fuzzy, but was there a similar media reaction when this New York Times best-seller was released? Did AP run a sympathetic article when the ultra-conservative talk-show host was referred to as an “old lard butt” on CNN Crossfire?

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What's your point here?

What's your point here? That republicans should be allowed to call Moore fat because a SNL cast member did it to Rush 10 years ago? Well of course theyshould be allowed to, I suppose, but I don't see how the actions of another excuse this hostility. But you aren't getting it...

Franken's book title, while no doubt sincere in a way, was ironic about political discourse. The title was ironic because it was self-deprecating and generally mocking too, commenting on:
a. Rush Limbaugh's intelligence and proportional weight
b. Al Franken's political astuteness
c. An atmosphere of politics so cut-throat that titles like "Rush..." sufficed for a point.

So "Rush..." was actually critiquing (in its own 1994 ironic way) the very behavior you are using it to excuse, dig?

> "So what's your point

> "So what's your point here? That republicans should be allowed to call Moore fat because a SNL cast member did it to Rush 10 years ago?"

Bzzzzt. Wrong assumption.

The point is that I don't recall a lengthy AP article, or anything similar, decrying the use of the words "fat" and the like when others called Rush as such. And there were plenty of others besides Franken... Type in "Rush Limbaugh" and "fat" (or "pig" or whatnot) into Google, and see what you find. I also pondered aloud if Wann knew of any Democrats who used the same terminology.

Moreover, any assumption concluding that I must simply be a die-hard Republican and/or Rush Limbaugh fan is also entirely incorrect.

The focus was on this specific media reaction and a possible double standard, not the labels themselves. The final paragraph of the post should've made this point obvious.

Bzzzzt. Wrong assumption.

Bzzzzt. Wrong assumption.
oh really? You addressed Wann, the author of a book who was crying foul about Repubs calling Moore "fat", not "the media." There are a thousand more points to make about that... Anyway, let's watch you try and weasel out of this:

The point is that I donâ??t recall a lengthy AP article, or anything similar, decrying the use of the words â??fatâ?? and the like when others called Rush as such.
niether do I, for one, because I was 12 when the book came out. There probably were a few articles, but as I said, the book's title wasn't just a straight up jab.

Moreover, any assumption concluding that I must simply be a die-hard Republican and/or Rush Limbaugh fan is also entirely incorrect.
I don't assume anyone is around here. I do assume you're a Michael Moore hater though.

The focus was on this specific media reaction and a possible double standard, not the labels themselves. The final paragraph of the post shouldâ??ve made this point obvious.
really? So your point is that "the media" have a double standard because there is an article defending Michael Moore from ad hominem assaults? The evidence being that "you don't remember any" articles defending Rush from a single book title that's jab wasn't actually the same anyway? oh.

The problem is that if

The problem is that if you're on one side, you can't say that calling people is names EXCEPT when it's done to denigrate the other side. If it's wrong, it's wrong. It's really simple.

BUT, because Rush is a republican, the liberals, and a fair amount of the media, think he's fair game. Unfortunately you can't be like that. Hey, you wanna call people names, that's fine. Just expect to get it back. That's all.

matt27 is right. Franken's

matt27 is right. Franken's book was a deliberate parody of the red-meat Republican style. He referred specifically to Newt's playbook recommendations to go negative early, demonize the opposition, and use repetition to associate them with a list of key devil-terms. Franken explicitly stated that he intended to do just that to Limbaugh.

For the record, though, I don't really find the caricatures of Moore all that offensive either. He's come out with some gut-bustingly funny stuff about Bush (the best material in F911 is just footage of Bush admin figures), but he is often also a disingenuous self-promoter and an asshole.

matt, "A single book"? Do

matt,

"A single book"?

Do the Google search as I instructed, then get back to me.

BTW... If you re-read my

BTW...

If you re-read my original post and follow-up to your question, it becomes apparent that I am, in fact, pondering if there is/was a double-standard. I don't have a wall-to-wall database that flushes out every AP, Reuters, etc, article printed in the past 15 years. Thus, see my last paragraph posed as questions and not statements, my follow-up includes the word "possible" when describing the double-standard, and I've explicitly stated that I'm relying on memory (not stating a true and tried fact). So I'm not trying to pass off conjecture as pure fact, so I'd appreciate if you avoid such implications that I am.

And does the notion that Franken was merely emulating his Republican nemesis somehow make his fat jokes "OK" to the Wanns and other (hyper)sensitives out there? I don't know, I'm merely asking. Not to mention that the article wastes no time in pointing out Hardy's "Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man" title in a negative light, when it was only mocking Franken's book title, who was supposedly mocking "Newt's negativity".

So, matt, there's no backpeddling or "weaseling" here, as you put it. If there has been a mainstream article in the past several years condemning the fat jokes directed toward Rush, then I'll stand corrected.