Ugh

Bill O'Reilly just asked Michel Speier of Variety why there is such controversy surrounding Mel Gibson's new movie:

Is it because the major media and much of the press is controlled by Jewish people?

Lovely.

Also, in the preceding segment, O'Reilly praised the pseudo-censorship of Howard Stern, as Stern is partly responsible for the "moral cesspool" that is today's media.

No word on whether Mel's extremely violent film also contributed to this "moral cesspool."

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Are you implying that most

Are you implying that most of the major media isn't controlled by Jewish people? Or just that it's impolite to mention this?

Micha Ghertner: O'Reilly

Micha Ghertner: O'Reilly praised the pseudo-censorship of Howard Stern, as Stern is partly responsible for the "moral cesspool" that is today's media. No word on whether Mel's extremely violent film also contributed to this "moral cesspool."

So Micha, you are saying that you see no moral difference between a film about the foundational event of Christianity (one of the world?s major Religions) and the Howard Stern radio show?

Eric, I'm implying both. I

Eric, I'm implying both. I don't recall ever seeing any study purporting to show that most of the media is controlled by Jews. And even if Jewish people are in fact in the majority, Jews are not monolithic, nor do we all think the same or share the same values. So claiming that we are all out to get Mel Gibson is a little silly. I actually wrote an article about this kind of group-think with regard to Gibson.

You don't need to do a

You don't need to do a formal study to establish that the major media is largely owned by Jewish people; just look at the names of the heads of all of the major media outlets. There's a list of all the heads of the media
here:
Apart from Sun Myung Moon, Rupert Murdoch and a couple of others almost all of them are Jewish. This doesn't mean that all Jews are "monolithic" or that they all share the same values. But Bill O'Reilly (and trust me, I'm not a fan of his) never asked if the media was controlled by all Jewish people, or 'the' Jewish people. He just asked if the media was largely controlled by Jewish people, and from what I can tell, it generally is. And I don't think that it is irrational to ask if that might in some way shape the media's attitude towards Mel Gibson's movie.

Eric, Yes, in fact you do

Eric,

Yes, in fact you do need a formal study to establish O'Reilly's claim. How are we to trust whether the source you listed is fully inclusive and correct? How can we tell who is Jewish and who is not simply by looking at the names?

And if you and O'Reilly are not claiming that all Jews share the same values, then even if O'Reilly's allegation is true, how could this effect the media's attitude? Similarly, even if Jews control the media, and Jews share the same values, you would also need to establish that those who own the media also control what the individual reporters, newscasters, and editorial writers communicate to the public.

I don't see evidence for any of these three claims, and all of them would be necessary to support O'Reilly's point.

Regarding whether the list I

Regarding whether the list I linked to is evidence that there is a disproportionate number of Jewish individuals in charge of media outlets, I think you are engaging in willful ignorance by pretending that list doesn't prove anything. As to how complete the list is: it includes AOL-Time-Warner, Walt Disney Company, CBS-Viacom, Vivendi Universal and all of the other main players in corporate media. All of the media outlets controlled by these companies are listed, and if you look at the list honestly you'll have to agree that the majority of what you see and hear on TV, in movies and in newspapers is distributed by these companies. Considering what a small percentage of the overall populace is Jewish, you can't deny that it is unusual that such a large percentage of the mass media is controlled by Jewish people. As to the accuracy of the list, if you really doubt that it is a simple matter to find out who is in charge of each of these companies by running Google searches on them. And regarding whether or not these media barons are actually Jewish, I think it is deceptive to act as if the fact that these people have names like Levin, Rothstein, Bronfman, Zuckerman and Meyer is meaningless, however if you really doubt their Jewishness (ethnically; I'm not implying that these individuals practice the Jewish religion) you can Google their names along with the word Jew or Jewish and I'm sure you'll come up with something.

Of course all Jews do not share the same values. That is a preposterous notion. However, if you look at surveys of American Jews you will find general opinions shared in common by the majority of them, for example they are more likely to be pro-Israel (although there is a very vocal minority of anti-Zionist Jews), more likely to favor a hardline military approach to foreign policy (although there are a minority of Jews who are very active in the peace movement) and more likely to be liberal with regards to issues like homosexuality and immigration (although there is a minority of very conservative Orthodox Jews as well). Jews are OBVIOUSLY also going to be, on average, more concerned about potential anti-Semitic sentiments, and are generally going to be more sensitive towards anything which could be seen as portraying Jews in a negative light. Considering that this is true for the majority of Jews, it also seems likely that it will hold true for the majority of those Jews who have influence over the media. They are therefore more likely to see Mel Gibson's movie as anti-Semitic, and as such are also more likely to influence their publications in a way that emphasizes the movie's negative qualities. And it should be obvious that, as the heads of these media outlets, they have some say in the attitudes expressed, as well as the type of people working for the organizations.

I can understand how you might be sensitive about a topic like this, however no malice is intended. I don't hate Jewish people, and I don't believe that any sort of organized 'conspiracy' is responsible for disproportionate Jewish influence - just the same sort of in-group networking that all groups of people exhibit to one extent or another.

Considering what a small

Considering what a small percentage of the overall populace is Jewish, you can't deny that it is unusual that such a large percentage of the mass media is controlled by Jewish people.

I don't deny that Jews, despite being a small percentage of the overall population, tend to be overrepresented in many fields. I just have not seen any good evidence that "a large percentage of the mass media is controlled by Jewish people." What percentage? What evidence is there that members on your list are Jewish, other than their names? A Jewish name does not necessarily mean someone is Jewish. Bruce Springstein for example - not a Jew.

The "Jews control the media" canard is classic anti-Semitic propaganda, used by Hitler and in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I'm not saying that anyone who makes this claim is an anti-Semite, just that it is a dangerous claim to make, and should be backed up by solid evidence.

I think it is deceptive to act as if the fact that these people have names like Levin, Rothstein, Bronfman, Zuckerman and Meyer is meaningless, however if you really doubt their Jewishness (ethnically; I'm not implying that these individuals practice the Jewish religion) you can Google their names along with the word Jew or Jewish and I'm sure you'll come up with something.

I am not the one making the claim; the burden of proof is not on me to support it. But do you really think that a common ethnicity implies shared values?

And it should be obvious that, as the heads of these media outlets, they have some say in the attitudes expressed, as well as the type of people working for the organizations.

This is false. It's just as wrong when conservatives claim that left-liberal owners of the media control what their newscasters do. Media executives have better things to do than micro-manage the news output, and people in journalism are extremely touchy about higher-ups controlling what they write and talk about.

I don't hate Jewish people, and I don't believe that any sort of organized 'conspiracy' is responsible for disproportionate Jewish influence - just the same sort of in-group networking that all groups of people exhibit to one extent or another.

I'm not claiming that you have any ill-intentions; just that you should know why these claims are dangerous and ill-advised. Also, I hardly see how an (alleged) shared ethnicity leads to "in-group" networking - Michael Eisner does not shoot the shit with his Jewish pals working for the competition.

My understanding is that

My understanding is that Jews do indeed control most of the mass media, such as indicated at http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/ Disclaimer: I don't support the above organization, I am not White.

Also, there is good info. on Jewish control of the media at http://neoeugenics.home.comcast.net/

It is not whether Jews own

It is not whether Jews own most of the media, it is whether they are all Pro-Israel or not which can present the argument whether Jews are monolithic or not.